election, remember this in 2016. that does it for the cycle. "now" with alex wagner starts right now. high energy debate over pipeline politics as the senate gets set to vote. it's tuesday november 18th and this is "now." >> this is a vote, years in the making. >> heated debrat ate on the sen floor. >> controversial keystone pipeline is at central stage. >> i brought this bill to the floor knowing in my heart we have the votes. >> 59 senators publicly support the keystone pipeline. >> it's just common sense. >> it's plain dangerous. >> a project that would help thousands of americans to find work. >> will produce a small number of jobs. >> the keystone pipeline veto,

this president has been listening to the american people. >> right now the outcome is still up in the air. we won't know until the vote. >> we are less than 90 minutes away from a nail biter of a senate vote on extending the keystone pipeline. already passed by the house, senate approval would put a bill on the president's desk to vine or veto and while he indicated veto is likely it doesn't stop mary landriue to tell everyone within earshot that she is the likely key to the keystone even though the actual bill is sponsored by her political rival bill cassidy. >> we had an opportunity and i took that opportunity. i called for this vote. not harry reed. not mitch mcconnell. i called for it and i think it

is worth fighting for. >> despite her no-holds bar approach to the keystone pipeline and senate run off, her fellow democrats brought plentiy of dissent. >> to me it is extra lethal. >> the existing keystone pipeline that was built is the safest pipeline in history. it is built 12 times. >> it does nothing for american energy security. >> we're talking about the dirtiest type of productions for energy sources that we know. >> this whole thing, i'm not a scientist, yeah, that's right you're not republicans. >> when it comes to keystone pipeline, mitch mcconnell suddenly is a scientist man. >> those who took a serious look at the science and potential benefits reached the conclusion long ago, they understand that the whole drama over keystone

pipeline has been protracted as it is unnecessary. we hope to turn the page on all of that today. >> in the next hour and half that page may remain unturned. main independent senator king announced he will vote no on keystone pipeline putting its passage in jeopardy. if it doesn't pass today it will be brought up again in january when republicans will have the senate majority. as for presidential veto boehner said that would be an insult to the american public. >> a keystone pipeline veto would send the signal that this president has no interest in listening to the american people. it is equal to calling the american people stupid. natural resource committee -- which way is this going to go.

>> well let me bring the suspension. i certainly has say -- the scientist of the community is unanimous in telling us climate change is real and causing devastating problems. if we don't transform our energy system away from fossil few to energy -- sustainable energy the planet we will leave our grandchildren will be a lot less habitual than the one we enjoyed. this is a no-brainer. to go forward and drill some of the dirtiest oil in the world to make the climate change situation even worse is completely unimaginable. >> are you disappointed at the way one of your democrat colleagues have gone after this with a guns blazing approach. >> look, mary landriue is very

effective representative in the state of louisiana and for the people in louisiana they think this is a good idea. i hope mary wins her election but this is a bad idea. if by some chance there are 60 votes to pass this today i hope very much the president will defeat it -- will veto it. the other point i will make is there's a lot of discussion about this being a "jobs" program. we desperately need a jobs program. this ain't it. this is 50. that's 5-0, permanent jobs and several thousand tem pary construction jobs. what we need to do is millions of jobs rebuilding our infrastructure, bridges and roads, that's what we need not this keystone pipeline. >> senator sanders it remains a question whether the president will veto this if it gains

passage in the senate. some saying there is a wrath of rules coming down from the epa, republicans will have control of the upper chamber land try to unwind all of that progress. shouldn't the president ensure republicans stand down on epa regulations, wouldn't that be in great service to the environment a better move for him. >> i think people who think that way are pretty naive as i hope you and the viewers know, republicans have cast hundreds of philibusters in the last six years against all kinds of legislation against working people and the environment. i have zero reason to doubt that no matter what he does on keystone pipeline i certainly hope he vetoes. they will continue to go against the epa and continue to represent the big oil and big energy companies against the

needs of the american people and our environment. >> i know you're not a betting man but this is a pretty big cliff hanger. nobody knows this will gain passage. if you had to bet money which way would you go. >> i think very, very close. i think that decision is not made up to this moment. they have 59 votes and are desperately looking for 60th vote. if they get it i hope the president vetoes it. >> we will be watching closely. thank you senator for your time. >> thank you. joining me now senior writer for political magazine, glen, the woman behind all of this, ma marry mary landieu it is unclear this helps her reelection chances given the fact zero jobs will be created in the state of louisiana. given that, are you surprised harry reed is allowing this to

come to a vote? >> i'm a new york jets fan so i know a lot about il-fated hail mary passes and this is definitely a hail mary. right. i just think there's absolutely no connection between this vote going her way and her winning. you know, the republicans put out a pole today, i don't know how accurate showed cassidy up by 16 points in the run off in december. i have been told democrats polls are not so grim but they are pretty grim and the democratic senatorial campaign committee is not throwing money at her campaign. people like diane fienstein are still sitting on the fence, extraordinary how many in leadership are sitting on the fence on this. they are thinking about their legacy and the real keystone pipeline then they are mary landieu right now. >> and as carl said even in she

were to weld the pipeline herself, wouldn't be given the opportunity. i'm sure she would if she could. do you think the stwhooit the white house is thinking about calculations at this point or is this going to be a veto? >> i think they are thinking about calculations. i also they that we are dealing obviously in a lame duck environment. the republicans almost certainly will have the votes for this after everything turns over. the the white house doesn't have a lot of leverage with republicans. it is pretty much this and the immigration executive order. so it behooves them on firing any shots. the problem is the white house has yet to articulate what they want from the republicans so what would they be horse trading for z for. >> if there is executive action handed down what does that do in terms of scuderiling, not

bipartisan but i think that flew the coupe a long time ago but with the looming deadline of less than a month from now, i mean, i find it hard to imagine that he will issue a veto and do executive action within the aim three-week period. >> stranger things have happened. december 11th deadline is a gun against the temple of john boehner not against the white house. i think there's a feeling that the republicans ought to be having an argument amongst themselves and we saw that a little bit in republican conference this morning. they're looking for a way out of this december 11th thing and so i think the democrats and the white house think they have an upper hand on the budget. where it goes it is anyone's guess. >> is the keystone pipeline going to pass? >> that is hard to say. again, it seems like, what were

there up to six undecided democrats, my guess is you could shake a tree and get one. >> can shake a tree and get one but still can't shake a tree and get a new york jets victory. had to say that. while politics are heating up in capitol building pretty much everywhere else is in a cold grip of temperatures at or below freezing in every state including hawaii. this is buffalo, expected to get up to 6 feet of snow. with well-below average temperatures all of that snow is likely to stick around. ifs when we come back after the break, hamas is celebrating -- we will look at rapidly escalating conflect.

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condemning synagogue attack in jerusalem. two men armed with meat cleaver and gun stormed into synagogue during prayer killing four rab ey rabbis. netanyahu responded that he vowed retribution today. ham as also condemned the attack. in gaza city and parts of the west bank there were celebrations in the attack shots in the air and singing victory songs. we coffngratulate

. joining me former assistant secretary of state and michael, let me start with you. in terms of the third infada is that what we're looking at this at this point. >> you could never know when these are coming. certainly the second like the first surprised people at least in terms of timing and we knew will was a powder keg that could explode in those cases and there is again here. so i can't rule it out. i could give a longer answer with more detail but would boil down to saying i don't know but i can't rule it out. >> it goes without saying that the palestinians have a leadership problem. no more evidence in today's response praised by hamas. there's been quite a bit of time warning over holy war at this

site in israel. what should happen next in terms of what the palestinians need to do. >> i wouldn't necessarily say that there is one act here that is decisive. the reality is that the environment has been in free throw fall for much of this year. we have had the gaza crisis and now this string of destructive and horrific incidents that demonstrate that's there is a lack of trust and lack of resilience in the 20 years of the ozmo process, any time there's peace process, we have these kinds of spoilers who are more than willing to fill in the void. >> let me follow up on that. -- on bbc, it was said the reason for all theetz prob leprechauns is the continuation in the occupation. today is a failure of the international community too. how fair do you think that assessment is?

>> well, obviously we saw earlier this year a significant attempt by the secretary of state to create an agreement, the reality is you don't have an environment right now that lends itself to compromise. in fact if you look at the region as a whole, including, now increasing the friction between the palestinians community and israel community, the polarization we are seeing further east in syria and so forth. any time you think it can't get worse it can. i don't have a magic bullet here but i think unfortunately because you have a lack of empathy on both sides, lack of interest in compromise, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better. >> do you think prime minister netanyahu is at all calibrating the kind of response given how

this has given is this sort of a-sim metry in the number of deaths over gaza. he said he's going to respond harshly. to assume is will be status quo or do you think it will be different this time? >> i think the immediate response will be very firm. i think israel politicians tend to believe in a policy of firmness for this kind of unspeakable violence and certainly our hearts and prayers goes out to the israeli families who's lives were lost and our fellow americans. having said that i hope as one looking over a longer perspective that everyone involved in the failed peace process on all sides will do reassessing. the critique about how the international community was blamed for this, that does not hold water.

the international community has been trying to help the palestinians and israel people towards peace that they refuse to make. it will have to come down to a change in heart in their populations. this is the necessary condition for hope, and it's the only hope. that's what has to change and i don't know when mr. netanyahu or others might lend themselves to that reconsideration but i hope it is soon. >> pj, let me ask, three men held american passports, in terms of this administration president obama has been from all outside accounts wary of believing too much, do you think the fact that three of the men who died today changes the white house calculations on any of this? >> i would turn that around. the united states believes firmly in the peace process.

from the united states standpoint all we have to work with is a two-state solution. reality is in the region they are losing faith in that two-state solution. i think michael was pivotal in talking about the need of alignment, the reality is you have lack of trust between netanyahu and president abas. unfortunately each sides sent to the poles. is good to blame the united states. it's good to blame the other party in not being a partner in peace. we will have to see political realiningment onnal stinnian and israel side and american side between changing something that is fundamentally dynamic something that is not possible today may take another year. >> thank you for your time. coming up isis holding one

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asked a few hours ago about how his party might react to the pending immigration action house speaker boehner respond. >> there's a lot of options we're considering. we will let you know. >> one of those options, suing the president. joining me now congressmen castro what an exciting day on capitol hill. >> it has been. we expected this with the lame duck. it's unfortunate that you have these voices in the republican party that are pushing for another government shutdown. it was a complete mess last year cost the country $24 billion. now that they have the responsibility to govern, i hope cooler heads will prevail and we won't have a shut down. >> have you had any indication from the white house as to when executive action will happen. we know you are dialled into the caucus, can you give us any

intel? >> sure, i suspect it will be later this week or early next week. and i think before thanksgiving. the administration has been scleer for a long time now that they will issue the sclut executive order. the house had a chance to pass comprehensive reform bill. there were 230 votes, both democrats and republicans to pass an immigration bill but john boehner refused to put that bill on the floor. he pretends he wants to do immigration but never takes concrete action to be serious so the president is not going to wait any more. >> what's that do to the december 11th budget deadline. republicans are already angry and it hasn't come down yet.

how will it change negotiations for december 11th. >> i saw this afternoon that mitch mcconnell said there won't pe a government shutdown over mim gragover immigration. we will see if he has influence over the folks in the republican in the senate than john boehner did in the house last year when they helped cause the shut down. >> have you heard any tell of hatching immigration plan of their own. >> i haven't seen any republican plan for immigration reform. i don't think they can agree among themselves whether there should be immigration reform. you have hard line and shrill voices like steve king who are dead set against doing any business reform, whether for business, hispanics, asians or any group in this country. it will be tough to come to a consensus. >> there is some consternation

about whether or not this kind of executive action is legal. to the degree this may effect 5 million americans, some folks say this has not been done before. amnesty under ronald reagan effected a smaller slice of american society. are you at all concerned this could back fire for democrats? >> no i think the president made clear that this is what he intended to do and he's going to follow through with that intention. we know presidents reagan and bush issued similar executive orders, the numbers may have been smaller but no question this is a legal option for the president. so i think at some point you have to stand up for what you believe and you have to be willing to use the tools in the tool kit and this is something the president can and will use. >> there's been a flurry of

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>> in just a few hours the senate will take its most important vote on nsa surveillance to date. it will reign in the powers of the national security agency. debate over the bill has led to very weird bed fellows. supporting it the white house ted cruz, aclu, nra, tech companies and the new york times and washington post boards, on the other side privacy advocates including senator rand paul who says the ball zrndoesn't go far enough and traditional security hawks who few it as nsa reform

that only isis could love. >> many of these fighters are familiar are american capabilities these are terrorists who know how to use inscription and how it change devices frequently. this is the worse possible time to be tieing our hands behind our backs. >> among other thing the the u.s.a. freedom act would leave hands of data in the hands of phone companies. joining me now cofounder of electronic foundation and freedom press foundation a andlizea thank you boning fth f joining me. on a subject that should be more robust given the senate will focus on it in a couple hours.

you are a pinor in terms of electronic frontier. what do you think of this bill? >> oh, gosh. this bill is pathetic, really. pathetic that we should have a bill in the first place since what it is trying to prevent is profoundly unconstitutional in its entirety. the patriot provided a general warrant that is forebidden by the constitution. i don't want to be the enemy of oh, well it will do. but in this case we need to do something much more fundamental and really take a look at what we're doing here. >> what are thur thoughts. john says that will do is a huge step in terms of this current

congress and where we are in terms of intraction, getting anything done seems would be a fantastic scenario, but going back to the transparency that we all so prize does it get us closer to that. >> i think it does. the bill ends bulk surveillance domestically and adds certain transparency measures. it includes a slight increase in the adverse aerial process by ascenting a new key who could appear as friends of the court and represent the private interest of the americans and it increases tech company abilities to provide information on how many people are being targeted and how much informing is being brought out of the tech company so it does go in some ways towards ameliarating some of the

problems we have seen with the nsa. people need to be conscious of closing the back door. that's a very important step we need to take as a country. >> when we talk about reform and keeping the leavers moving on reform a huge part of that is support from the american public. i think do americans care enough about this to keep our politicians on it. >> i think we're in a state of shock. and i think there's an old navajo saying, it is impossible to awaken someone who is pretending to be asleep. that would describe a lot of the public because they feel, understandably, helpless. here the government has been sur

veiling everything on the planet, routinely, and all of their actions and affairs, there are hundreds of thousands of people that now have the ability that j edgar hoover used to have in terms of blackmailing the president and other people. and yet, you know, nobody seems to be particularly upset about this. the fact that -- the fact that our government has become invincible to us. >> yeah. >> you cannot have anything even remotely called a democracy with an invisible government. and finally american is not a boundary with gee og graphry in it. america is a set of ideals and if you want to protect national security, the first order of business is to protect those ideals. >> that's a beautiful way of getting to the heart of the issue.

by the fact that the intelligence community is on board with this, i think, makes a lot of folk whofolks who have relationship in the wake of snowden this is a direct response to that, the intelligence community put up a wall and denied surveillance. >> lied and lied and lied. >> right. harry reed making a case for this bill having this to say today. i think for though of us who have followed this, that is not a mark in his favor. does it make you weary that james clapper supports this. >> i think the intelligence community supports this because they think we will do this and this whole thing will go away. right. and i think from the other side, technology companies and civil liberties advocates support it

because they think is the beginning of the process of reform so they are coming at it from two different things. and the president's own review board came back and set the way they are collecting the data was practically useless and could have got the same results of a traditional order targeted to a suspe suspect. so the program was in shamables so i think that might have something to do with that. >> what is also sort of, i mean, praven is the appropriate word to use here, the fact that mitch mcconnell somehow won't be able to penetrate the next isis network if this bill goes through. well we have had all this surveillance in place and isis is doing pretty well. >> i wish americans would try to study the history of the

intelligence agencies since world war ii because it is kind of interesting. they have not made a single right call on a major issue, ever, since the chinese crossed the alou. they didn't see the wall coming down a month before it was coming down. i mean, it was one person in langley who spoke arabic on 9/11. it is consistent in its utter failure to do its job which is to make it possible for the leadership in this kuncountry t know what is going on in the world. >> right. >> to me i would like us to go back to first cases. to see how do we do that, how do we make that job get done, not arguing about how unconstitutional we can be under

surveillance. >> right. in terms of republican reform. >> really fighting this. >> in terms of -- it is really interesting between rand paul and mitch mcconnell not supporting the bill for completely different reasons. do you think there will be coal essence around one or the other. >> there won't be if we don't have a full debate on the bill. i think that is what is important. the senate needs to move this to the floor so it can be a proper democrat debate and those with problems with the bill can bring it forward and those who support it can make their arguments as well. but to shut down the democrat process is shameful. >> john awesome to have you on this show thank you for your time and liza good to see you, thank you. you're looking at a live shot on the floor where the debate continues over the keystone pipeline. if the bill passes it will go to

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>>. [ laughter ] i'll continue to purchase my expensive health care coverage. >> while mr. boehner is reluctant to sing the praises of obamacare there are plenty out there who are happy with it. including steve who lost his coverage when his job was down sized complaining this he could be dead if not for the aca, for him the deal has not been a bad one to say the least. also not bad for the 100,000 american who's enrolled in health care coverage saturday, the first day of this year's open enrollment, nor is it big deal by bringing down population of uninsured by 9.5 million and deficit rapidly falling against, thanks to the aca. given the success of the law

probably best for bacoehner to keep resistance short and simple, after all keeping it short and simple is what speaker boehner does best. >> not many of you know the boehner birthday song it's simple. this is your birthday song, it doesn't last too long, hay. >> that's all for now "the ed show" is next. good evening americans and welcome to the "the ed show." the keystone pipeline has never been this close to the president's desk. it's "the ed show" from new york, let's get to work. >> tonight, the senate has an important opportunity. >> later today the senate will vote on the keystone pipeline. >> we've been building pipelines for a long, long time. >> she now has 60